absolute newboid mac non-starter

bowedcymbal · Post by **bowedcymbal** » Wed May 23, 2007 6:54 pm

hi all,

i'm running osx 10.1 on my ibook g3 and downloaded scummvm to play BASS (i never completed it on my amiga) and probably whatever i can later on... i tried the latest version but the disk didn't even mount so i found an older version (0.7.1) on sourceforge which mounted, and did all the business, and i've got the scummvm icon and everything, but when i try and open it i get an error saying it's unexpectedly quit (i've done it a few times now, it's no longer unexpected for me)...

so, you lovely people: are there newer old versions which work with 10.1?? Is there something i could (or should) do with, i dunno, command lines or something? am i even doing the right thing when trying to load it (dragging it to the desktop seems to make no difference)??

i tried the faqs and readmes for any hint of a eureka moment but couldn't find much...

i'd love to get this running and lose a few hours in the games but am a little at a loss. apologies if i've missed something glaringly obvious, i am after all a doe-eyed newbo mac casual and it may well be possible

thanks in advancio,
dan

PsYcO · Post by **PsYcO** » Wed May 23, 2007 8:10 pm

you meen when you start the game or opening scummvm

bowedcymbal · Post by **bowedcymbal** » Wed May 23, 2007 10:36 pm

PsYcO wrote:you meen when you start the game or opening scummvm

opening scummvm. it quits before it even gets the chance. quite upsetting. i'm not running anything particularly weird at the same time or anything.

PsYcO · Post by **PsYcO** » Thu May 24, 2007 12:29 pm

only thing i can suggest is to get the latest SVN build available for the mac, if that fails try the stable version

lastly, sometimes it downloads it improperly, so i guess you could always try to download them a second time

bobablob · Post by **bobablob** » Fri May 25, 2007 4:32 am

He's running 10.1. I'd be surprised if there's a modern version of SDL that compiles against that OS.

bowedcymbal · Post by **bowedcymbal** » Fri May 25, 2007 3:17 pm

bobablob wrote:He's running 10.1. I'd be surprised if there's a modern version of SDL that compiles against that OS.

He's also a clueless eejit with a low computer literacy level. Am i toast, then? Anyone got any free copies of later OSX??

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bobablob · Post by **bobablob** » Fri May 25, 2007 5:58 pm

See Forum Rule 0, eejit.

Jimbob · Post by **Jimbob** » Fri May 25, 2007 10:09 pm

bowedcymbal wrote:
bobablob wrote:He's running 10.1. I'd be surprised if there's a modern version of SDL that compiles against that OS.
He's also a clueless eejit with a low computer literacy level. Am i toast, then? Anyone got any free copies of later OSX?? -

No, as far as I can see you have to pay for OS X

I would be very surprised if it did run on OS X 10.1 (I assume you have 10.1.5 installed). From memory, 10.1 wasn't very good at all!! (I had it installed on an iMac G3 and upgrading to Panther was so much better).

Anyway, just to help a bit, try starting scummvm and the game and then go to the Utilities folder (Shift-Apple-U in the Finder) and start the Console. Look in console.log at the bottom for any error messages, this should give you some idea of what is wrong.

bowedcymbal · Post by **bowedcymbal** » Sat May 26, 2007 3:49 pm

Jimbob wrote:
bowedcymbal wrote:
bobablob wrote:He's running 10.1. I'd be surprised if there's a modern version of SDL that compiles against that OS.
He's also a clueless eejit with a low computer literacy level. Am i toast, then? Anyone got any free copies of later OSX?? -
No, as far as I can see you have to pay for OS X

I would be very surprised if it did run on OS X 10.1 (I assume you have 10.1.5 installed). From memory, 10.1 wasn't very good at all!! (I had it installed on an iMac G3 and upgrading to Panther was so much better).

Anyway, just to help a bit, try starting scummvm and the game and then go to the Utilities folder (Shift-Apple-U in the Finder) and start the Console. Look in console.log at the bottom for any error messages, this should give you some idea of what is wrong.

Thanks for the help in showing me something which i'm sure all y'all find preternaturally easy. i couldn't find out how to get those reports, otherwise i'd have done this before:

dyld: /Volumes/ScummVM 0.7.1/ScummVM.app/Contents/MacOS/scummvm Undefined symbols:

/Volumes/ScummVM 0.7.1/ScummVM.app/Contents/MacOS/scummvm undefined reference to _CGMainDisplayID expected to be defined in Carbon

Soooo.... any ideas now? all dutch to me.

Thanks everyone for helping.

p.s. obviously i wouldn't *literally* ask for warez on an open forum. given that it takes about about 3 minutes to download a 3 minute mp3 i think i'd be old and grey by the time i'd get it.

PsYcO · Post by **PsYcO** » Sat May 26, 2007 4:26 pm

bowedcymbal wrote:obviously i wouldn't *literally* ask for warez on an open forum. given that it takes about about 3 minutes to download a 3 minute mp3 i think i'd be old and grey by the time i'd get it.

fyi, its gonna be between 700MB-4.4GB, on a broadband connection that could take probably less than a week, maybe even a weekend, so unless your already old and greying that doesn't make sence

fingolfin · Post by **fingolfin** » Sat May 26, 2007 5:49 pm

As people already have pointed out here, the problem is that your OS X version is to old. Current releases definitely support OS X 10.3.9 and later; we *may* be able to keep supporting OS X 10.2.8. But no luck for 10.1, it's just not feasible to produce binaries for this.

You could try to compile ScummVM, SDL etc. yourself on your system. Possibly install Fink for 10.1 to get SDL and other dependencies. You first would have to install XCode, but with some luck you already have that on a CD along with your OS X copy.

But instead I would strongly recommending to upgrade to 10.2 -- it's relatively cheap to buy legit copies via e.g. Ebay, and it should in fact run faster than 10.1 even on our old G3 mac.

bowedcymbal · Post by **bowedcymbal** » Sat May 26, 2007 5:56 pm

PsYcO wrote:
bowedcymbal wrote:obviously i wouldn't *literally* ask for warez on an open forum. given that it takes about about 3 minutes to download a 3 minute mp3 i think i'd be old and grey by the time i'd get it.
fyi, its gonna be between 700MB-4.4GB, on a broadband connection that could take probably less than a week, maybe even a weekend, so unless your already old and greying that doesn't make sence

well, yes, if you're going to be particular then you're right, i could do it. and before the onset of male pattern baldness, too!! but at the moment i'm downloading something at 2.1kb/sec, due to a combination of a (currently intermittent) capped broadband connection and the slowness of my ibook. maybe i wouldn't be old and grey by the time it downloaded, but i feel like it's the kind of thing which would never work out.

bowedcymbal · Post by **bowedcymbal** » Sat May 26, 2007 6:13 pm

fingolfin wrote:As people already have pointed out here, the problem is that your OS X version is to old. Current releases definitely support OS X 10.3.9 and later; we *may* be able to keep supporting OS X 10.2.8. But no luck for 10.1, it's just not feasible to produce binaries for this.

You could try to compile ScummVM, SDL etc. yourself on your system. Possibly install Fink for 10.1 to get SDL and other dependencies. You first would have to install XCode, but with some luck you already have that on a CD along with your OS X copy.

!!!

But instead I would strongly recommending to upgrade to 10.2 -- it's relatively cheap to buy legit copies via e.g. Ebay, and it should in fact run faster than 10.1 even on our old G3 mac.

i know, i know. the sad thing is someone offered my their install dvddiscs for 10.2 and 10.3, but my cd drive is just that; a cd drive. i've been thinking about ebay, i think this (and a thousand other little niggly things itunes with sharing, then ourtunes etc) is just clinching it that i need to buy this stuff. i've heard great things about speed improvements through upgrading anyhow.. offtopic slightly here but with 640mb ram is it worth going for 10.3 just to be ever-so-slighly more futureproof?? or will it slow up again? i also don't have a great deal of room left on my HD, which might not help.

by the way, thanks for all your helpful comments, guys. it's this kind of thing that strengthen's one's resolve about the inherent loveliness of opensource, you-help-me-and-if-i-can-i'll-help-you global community whatnots. they're brills!

dan

PsYcO · Post by **PsYcO** » Sat May 26, 2007 7:02 pm

bowedcymbal wrote:well, yes, if you're going to be particular then you're right, i could do it. and before the onset of male pattern baldness, too!! but at the moment i'm downloading something at 2.1kb/sec, due to a combination of a (currently intermittent) capped broadband connection and the slowness of my ibook. maybe i wouldn't be old and grey by the time it downloaded, but i feel like it's the kind of thing which would never work out.

if your downloading at that speed(and its not the location where your downloading from's fault) then i would seriously consider changing provider, since your not getting what your paying for...

fingolfin · Post by **fingolfin** » Sat May 26, 2007 8:50 pm

If you can only get 10.2 on DVD, you could borrow (or buy) an external DVD player and temporaily hook that to your iBook for the duration of your installation.

Things should be OK with 640 MB -- I was using 10.2 for quite some time on an iBook G3 700 with 640 MB RAM. Although of course more RAM and more CPU power. I am not sure about 10.3, simply because I have had no experience with it on that kind of hardware.