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Myst on scummvm

Post by Kalamaius » Thu May 01, 2014 4:08 pm

Hello everybody, I've a original cd-rom of the first myst and i'd like to play on my windows 8.
I've heard that there's a way to play original myst on scummvm.
Can someone tell me the way to play my original myst game on scummvm?

I've download a build version and now myst "work" but i can't save the game. Some trick to save without crashing?

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Re: Myst on scummvm

Post by KuroShiro » Thu May 01, 2014 5:14 pm

Kalamaius wrote:Hello everybody, I've a original cd-rom of the first myst and i'd like to play on my windows 8.
I've heard that there's a way to play original myst on scummvm.
Can someone tell me the way to play my original myst game on scummvm?

I've download a build version and now myst "work" but i can't save the game. Some trick to save without crashing?
It's still in development, and is probably a ways off from being fully supported, though according to the wiki it should be possible to complete (the devs would know better).

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Post by digitall » Thu May 01, 2014 7:16 pm

It is missing some bits, but should be completable.

You will need a daily build where it is enabled in the Mohawk engine:
http://www.scummvm.org/downloads/#daily
http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/Mohawk/TODO#Myst_TODO

It should not "crash" when saving. That sounds like either a Windows 8 save path issue or a problem with your datafiles.
Recopy the datafiles from your original CDs and try changing the savepath location to someone else.

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Post by Jorpho » Sat May 03, 2014 11:30 pm

You may be interested in the "Masterpiece Edition" of MYST available from GOG.com for a couple of dollars; it should run perfectly in Windows 8 (and probably look better, too).

This is not to be confused with realMYST, which plays rather differently.

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Post by clone2727 » Sun May 04, 2014 1:58 am

Jorpho wrote:You may be interested in the "Masterpiece Edition" of MYST available from GOG.com for a couple of dollars; it should run perfectly in Windows 8 (and probably look better, too).
That's no reason to re-buy a game. (Not to mention Masterpiece Edition is not an improvement at all, really.)

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Post by digitall » Sun May 04, 2014 2:20 am

Kalamaius: I think Jorpho is referring to the fact that the original PC version of Myst was intended for Windows 3.1, and I have had some issues running it on Win95+.

If you want to run the original PC version of Myst using the original interpreter, the best option is get a copy of Windows 3.1 and then install this within DOSBox or FreeDOS, then install the original Myst on this. I have tested with DOSBox and this works as a solution:
http://www.dosbox.com/

As Jorpho said, you can find the Masterpiece version of Myst on GOG for 5.99 USD:
http://www.gog.com/game/myst_masterpiece_edition

As this version uses a PE executable intended for Win95+, it should run on later versions of Windows without issues.

However, as clone2727 indicated, the visual "improvements" are not epic as though the images are now 24 bit truecolor, rather than 8-bit dithered bitmap, they are the same resolution and the difference is not very striking:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myst#PC_remakes

Also, if you do use the Masterpiece Edition with the original interpreter, I suggest you disable the Help System. It tends to spoil the immersive nature of the game and is a bit too helpful at times, though this is up to you.

If you are running on a 64-bit machine, you will need to use a compatibility mode to run the original 32-bit PE executable. See here:
https://superuser.com/questions/640965/ ... ing-system
http://www.gog.com/forum/myst_series/my ... _bit/page1

It should also be noted that we have experimental support for the Masterpiece Edition along with the Original Edition in the ScummVM Mohawk engine, but they both suffer the same missing parts. This is mainly the Holoprojector in the Mechanical Age, which requires a tricky feature of arbitary QuickTime video seeking as noted on the TODO page I linked earlier.

If you play and note any issues, please check with that TODO list before bothering any of the ScummVM team with known issues. Thanks.

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Post by md5 » Mon May 05, 2014 1:28 pm

clone2727 wrote:
Jorpho wrote:You may be interested in the "Masterpiece Edition" of MYST available from GOG.com for a couple of dollars; it should run perfectly in Windows 8 (and probably look better, too).
That's no reason to re-buy a game. (Not to mention Masterpiece Edition is not an improvement at all, really.)
AFAIK, the original Myst used dithering to lower the colors to 256. The Masterpiece Edition uses the 24-bit color palette.

Here's a relevant page:
http://cho.cyan.com/RAWA/dither.html

The ME edition does look significantly better:
http://cho.cyan.com/RAWA/MystCompare.html

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Post by envisaged0ne » Mon May 05, 2014 2:01 pm

Yeap. Just wanted to confirm that md5 is absolutely correct. The original Myst used 256 colors and Myst Masterpiece used 24 bit.

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Post by clone2727 » Mon May 05, 2014 10:07 pm

md5 wrote: AFAIK, the original Myst used dithering to lower the colors to 256. The Masterpiece Edition uses the 24-bit color palette.

Here's a relevant page:
http://cho.cyan.com/RAWA/dither.html

The ME edition does look significantly better:
http://cho.cyan.com/RAWA/MystCompare.html
You wrote this as if you think I have no idea what I'm talking about. The color increase was not much of an improvement. Not to mention, the ME images are JPEG. Not worth rebuying at all.

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Post by md5 » Tue May 06, 2014 12:51 am

No, I wrote this because you said that there's no reason to buy the ME edition, together with screenshots that show why.

For me, the color increase makes the images look better. Overall, the improved image and sound quality are good reasons to prefer the ME edition over the regular one, IMHO.

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Post by clone2727 » Tue May 06, 2014 1:16 am

md5 wrote:No, I wrote this because you said that there's no reason to buy the ME edition, together with screenshots that show why.

For me, the color increase makes the images look better. Overall, the improved image and sound quality are good reasons to prefer the ME edition over the regular one, IMHO.
If you want better quality, then get realMyst. If you have the original, buying Masterpiece Edition is throwing away money.

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Post by envisaged0ne » Tue May 06, 2014 3:39 am

Wow. Ummm, don't you think that's up to the purchaser? It's your opinion. It sounds like you're trying to push your opinion on as fact and are getting rather defensive about it. If someone thinks the ME is worth the purchase, who are you, or anyone else, to state otherwise?

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Post by CaptainJei » Tue May 06, 2014 6:30 am

This may the one time I completely disagree with what you're saying, clone. I slightly prefer Myst ME to RealMyst, but owning both was worth the 7 or so dollars I spent on them together at gog.

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Post by clone2727 » Tue May 06, 2014 11:25 am

envisaged0ne wrote:Wow. Ummm, don't you think that's up to the purchaser? It's your opinion. It sounds like you're trying to push your opinion on as fact and are getting rather defensive about it. If someone thinks the ME is worth the purchase, who are you, or anyone else, to state otherwise?
Of course it's my opinion. I never stated what I said was fact. I truly feel that buying Myst ME when you already own the original is a waste of money. Not everyone is going to agree with that, sure. It adds nothing of value over the original. It's like buying a Blu-ray copy for those who already own the DVD: the picture might be a little better, but you've already seen and enjoyed the movie for what it is.

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Post by digitall » Tue May 06, 2014 12:00 pm

I didn't buy RealMyst initially for the reasons that clone2727 indicates here with respect to Myst ME i.e. technical improvement in visual or audio quality, but game play is the same, so fairly pointless if you have already played the game and know the story.

I did buy it in the end though when the price dropped to an impulse buy price-point and I found about the addition of the extra small age, Rime.

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