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UFO



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Is it possible to scummvm the strategy game like dune2? 

Is it possible to scummvm these strategy DOS games like dune1, dune2, X-com UFO 1 and 2, and Master of orion, Master of Magic, Sid meiyer's Civilization, and Grandest Fleet?
Because they are too slow to play under DOS-BOX.

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Post Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:09 pm 
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sev
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No, we are concentrated on point and click adventures.


Eugene

PS. That's an interesting new verb 'to scummvm'. I wonder what does it mean.

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UFO



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point and click adventures only?

But you have made Lands of Lord work under the windows OS, and Lands of Lore is more than point and click, that is a 2D shooter game as Shadow caster, They require massive screen changes, clicking mouse buttons and pressing hotkeys to play.

When I saw when scummvm could make Lands of lore work under windows, I thought scummvm might be able to do the same for other similar games.

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Lands of Lore only works because it's the same engine used as another game ScummVM was trying to natively support. Kyrandia, I believe. Which is a P&C game. That's the only reason, AFAIK.

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robertmo



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UFO have you read dosbox's manual?

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sev
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quote:
Originally posted by UFO
point and click adventures only?

But you have made Lands of Lord work

Oh, thank you for kindly reminding that.

Let me just quote the original Lands of Lore announcement:
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Originally posted by LoL announcement
A quick side note: Unlike other ScummVM supported adventure games, Lands of Lore is an RPG (Role Playing Game). We are supporting it as it uses the same engine (KYRA) as The Legend of Kyrandia series. Please do not ask us to support other RPGs!


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quote:
Originally posted by UFO
point and click adventures only?

But you have made Lands of Lord work under the windows OS, and Lands of Lore is more than point and click, that is a 2D shooter game as Shadow caster, They require massive screen changes, clicking mouse buttons and pressing hotkeys to play.

When I saw when scummvm could make Lands of lore work under windows, I thought scummvm might be able to do the same for other similar games.


Hm, with all respect, you can't be serious. A shooter game? One of the best RPG Games in history degrated to the "Shooter", yach. Shocked
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Maybe he said that because ShadowCaster uses an enhanced Wolf3D engine... But I agree: it's not a shooter Smile

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Re: Is it possible to scummvm the strategy game like dune2? 

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Is it possible to scummvm these strategy DOS games
Strangely, we take at least a few steps (but only a few) toward supporting Moonbase Commander, a strategy game somewhat akin to Dune 2, which runs on an extension of the SCUMM variant that Humongous Entertainment ran with. But it probably will never be fully supported.
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balpat



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Re: Is it possible to scummvm the strategy game like dune2? 

quote:
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Because they are too slow to play under DOS-BOX.


By the way, the games you mention run perfectly in DOSBox. Maybe you just haven't set enough cycles?
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Re: Is it possible to scummvm the strategy game like dune2? 

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quote:
Originally posted by UFO
Because they are too slow to play under DOS-BOX.


By the way, the games you mention run perfectly in DOSBox. Maybe you just haven't set enough cycles?


Or the machine is too slow? Wink
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all protected mode games automatically switch to max cycles, so people got used to it and don't know about manual adjustment needed for non protected mode games.

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UFO



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Maybe it was 9 to 11 years ago(I am not totally sure), when I found these DOS emulators, scummvm and dosbox, I had a Pen II 450Hz. Any games under that dosbox were impossible to play because they were too slow while several scummvm supported games were nicely playable. After that, I never looked back using the dosbox, I just thought that was the way with the dosbox. I think it was the civilization that gave me the bad impression especially. It was taking 20 seconds or 30 sec for the dosbox to render 1 frame.

I have pen 4, 3Ghz now. After this thread, i checked the dosbox again. Dosbox was usable for the most of the games that i never thought they'd work. Dune2 was playable, civilization was still not playable in my neuro-sense, I just need a faster pc someday... that is not a big deal...
DOSBox-0.74 changed the commands that took me 1 or 2 hours to find out, old and new commands were not totally compatible. I think i could make do with the dosbox now.

scummvm is still much much faster, and it works for all CPU's.

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Even 1THz won't help you if you don't bother reading manual...

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I read it all, but understanding all is a different story... otherwise, I never would have found out doxbox commands on my own, DOSBOX.EXE Y:\ZZZ1\CIV\CIV.EXE -c "mount c Y:\ZZZ1\CIV" -fullscreen -exit to make a batch file... and I probably tried the doxbox's turbo mode too back then, but it didnt do anything. how much of reading or how many tries and how technical does one want me to do? I dont think i had read 1 Ghz dosbox requirement back then, because there was no 1Ghz... must have added recently.

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